Introducing: Guild Storage account

[Fantaghiro]

The new member with a first name of Da you may have noticed on the roster, is our new Clan storage account. Rather than guild storage being on a particular player's toons, as was the guild's previous attempt at clan storage (whatever happened to all that stuff :confused: ), I've donated a brand new Prophecies account to the guild and all members of the Guild Wars leadership group will have access to it.

The plan I propose is to take donations of excess common materials [don't anticipate donations of rare materials] from experienced members so that the guild can offer new players joining the guild the common materials they require, along with the money they need, to buy their first weapon and armour upgrade (we might even promote this on our Wiki page). Additionally, when any guild members need those extra 18 iron ingots or 16 hide squares, we can help them out as a guild. We will accept donations of money from members wanting to help out new players, but we will also raise revenue by selling off excess donated materials – space limits, I’m sure you understand.

Remember those [uncustomised] weapons that are taking up space in your personal vault that are not perfect enough to sell on the open market, yet too good to just sell to a merchant for listed price, but you know you will probably never use them? Well, why not donate them to the guild for Da Weapons Carrier to look after so that other guild members may benefit from them! It may just be the very thing someone else needs, or it might help out a new player.

And if you're weighted down by good, but perhaps not perfect, inscriptions, bow strings, sword pommels and the like that you are keeping for a rainy day, Da Mod Maiden will be happy to look after them for you. However, like Da Weapons Carrier, she'll also listen carefully to anyone who puts up a good case for requiring any of the items in her care.

And you know how you have four mountain troll tusks but you just can't get that fifth one you need for the collector weapon/offhand that will make your necro/ele/ranger hero rock for the guild event later that day? Maybe Da Curator can help out there! He'll manage our collections of items for max stats collector items. [I would like to keep stacks of all collector items, but too many different items and not enough mules.]

We still haven't decided what the fourth toon on the account will be responsible for, so if you have any suggestions, please put them forward.

I will create a list of what we already have in storage (Van, Stubbie and I have donate a bunch of stuff to get it started) and will update it weekly. So that this resource is not abused, leadership team members will record transactions in and out. For experienced players needing anything on the list, just make a suitable reciprocal donation (agreed with the officer you're dealing with), and it’s yours. For example, if you need two collector items, just give us two others (for max equipment only, not armor) that you don't need. Two Minotaur Horns for two Margonite Masks, say. Or a Fiery Sword Hilt for an Icy one.

Leadership team members are not expected to stop whatever they're doing in game in order to meet requests, however, a mutually convenient time for the trade should be arranged with the requestee - like we do now with stuff from our own resouces. Requests for particular items can also be made through the forum.

So this will probably take a bit of time to get running properly, and we'll inevitably have to write up some rules - like Anet, we reserve the right to change the rules at any time and nerf your necro :p - but let's see how this floats!

Thanks for your time.
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[Dags]

A great idea I must say. very generous of you J.

I have three characters with lots of goodies and quite a number of golds and a couple of greens I will gladly donate to the Guild.

I need to speak to you J, either on TS or skype or I can pm you a phone number (reverse charges if you like). Please let me know asap.

[Dags]

Oh and I can tell you where the last mule account with goodies went. I donated an account for the very same purpose.

[Rotluchs]

although i don't even play GW, i have to say i like the idea.. we have several clan-mule accounts for our German Sacred-Clan HoPE too, and this works fine..
(we handle it in a way so that all full members have the access-data for the mule acc...)

(btw, if anyone has ever noticed one of 'my' account HoPE-powered.. this is one of those, it's not used only by me.. you know Therion X now too, do you? ;) )

maybe we can get 1 or 2 sacred accounts for all of us too, collecting the money wouldn't be a prob imho (and sacred gold now only costs 10 euros, even only 5,9 in the Netherlands :D )

[Lady Alynor]

Excellent idea Jude, very generous indeed! Thansk for going through the trouble for us, I'm sure you'll be rewarded (of course I mean spiritually, ya didn't think you'd get a hug now, did ya? :p ).

[Fantaghiro]

roflmao, Romy!

Thanks for the positive responses. :)

I was hoping to get lists published tonight of what we had, but was so busy accepting donations and sorting through stuff and it's now going on for 1am, it will have to wait for a day or two (like all good plans).

Thanks for all the donations so far, with special gold-plated, fur-lined thanks to Dags for his extreme generousity - watch for some of the items he donated being offered as prizes in the future!

Cheers
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PS: Dag's tale of taking his first Prophecies toon as far as infusing in starter armour (ya gotta admire that for something, don't ya!! :p ) reminded me to say that "first armour and weapon" does not mean max armour. It means first or second crafted armour and weapon available in the chapter being played.

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[Stubbie]

This is a fantastic idea Fant and a very generous contribution on your behalf. Thank-you for buying the account for storage usage.

I have a reservation however.
I think that before a new member can access these donated items we need to be sure they are genuine members. I agree it could be included in our wiki page that we have such a storage system to help newbies, but I would like to be sure that people don't take undue advantage of our good intentions.

I would like to suggest that newbs that wish to remove items from this storage, first become members of the clan and so have gone through the one month initiation period. This should weed out the gold diggers. If you feel that asking guild members to become part of the clan is too restrictive then I suggest you dont offer them the storage items.
By all means a new member can enjoy the common generosity of clan DA guild members helping newbs, and that would include gifts of money and items, but the storage area items that have been donated by members should not be available to just anyone.
I would like to see these items available only to Clan DA members.

Just my opinion and I'm open to discussion. ;)

stubbie

[Bloodknight]

Donated loads of stuff right now, about 5k, a gold, two purples, materials, upgrades. I really hope this will push some new members our way.

[Stubbie]

An amendment to my previous post.
While I still think the storage items should be for clan DA members only, I understand the guild wants to help new members. :)

So I suggest that low value items and a limited amount of money can be given to new members.

But high value and rare items, I think, should only be handed out to members.

stubbs

[Fantaghiro]

So I suggest that low value items and a limited amount of money can be given to new members.

But high value and rare items, I think, should only be handed out to members.
Thanks for your input, Stubbie. Maybe my post wasn't clear enough, but that's basically how it is intended to work.

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[LazySod]

Oh! So that is what that was all about yesterday. My fractured mind wasn't quite registering it right away... *grins*

Well, next time I log in and see the toon online I shall have to donate some things then. Got a number of materials, some gold (though not too much, I am a very expensive player these days, always having a set of lockpicks on me and no luck worth mentioning - in fact, I am storming up toward the first unlucky title, story of my life)

Don't think I've got any items left in stash. Tossed a lot of them away a few days ago when I started to understand how the weapon upgrades work and what they do.

Wiki page? Do we have a wiki page?

[Fantaghiro]

Wiki page? Do we have a wiki page?
:D

Yes, we do! Not on the fan-operated wiki we all know and love, but on the Guild Wars Official Wiki that Arenanet have set up. Did you miss the thread about this (http://clan-da.com/showthread.php?t=6216)? The link is on that page, but here it is:
Guild: Descendants_of_Ancaria (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Descendants_of_Ancaria).

And thanks for your offer of stuff for storage! Just talk to any of the leadership team when you spot one online and they can log on to the storage account.

Cheers
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[LazySod]

OK. Understand now.

Isn't allowing several people to log-on into the account against the GW EULA though? Basically it would become a shared account if anyone willing to offer items would be able to log on and play. That said, I wouldn't think it wise to post the availability of the account on the wiki page.

[Vanschlick]

OK. Understand now.

Isn't allowing several people to log-on into the account against the GW EULA though? Basically it would become a shared account if anyone willing to offer items would be able to log on and play. That said, I wouldn't think it wise to post the availability of the account on the wiki page.

I agree that we shouldnt advertise the storage account per se...

The GW EULA aside, Im not sure that advertising were giving away free stuff wouldnt attract the wrong kind of guildmate.

All that aside, Thanks Fant! This was a great idea and very generous of you as well. I of course am happy to help!

And Stubbs, your a good egg mate - had fun the other night - hope to see more of you ingame!

[Fantaghiro]

Having acknowledged Stubbie, Van and Daga for their donations, I'd like to acknowledge the generous donations received from Smashly and Romy. Thanks also for Van and Romy for creating and bringing a toon through pre.

Anyway, in view of the EULA, maybe this idea needs a little more thought. Maybe the account will have to be operated by one person only, which kinda defeats the purpose. It all seemed like such a good idea at the time ....

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[Stubbie]

It all seemed like such a good idea at the time ....

And it most definitely still is fant!!

Surely this type of usage wouldn't be breaking the intention of the EULA. While it would probably be a lawyers wet dream, I think that the EULA just didn't for-see what we are trying to do.

As long as none of the toons are used to actually play the game, I think (well at least morally) we are not breaking any rules. We are simply using them for storage.

However, as a member I would not like to see the clan brought into any disrepute, no matter how good our intentions are.

I think this is a matter for the leaders of the clan to decide what we do.

stubbs

[Dags]

I think the way around the EULA here is a technicality. No one plays any character, they are strictly mules. Yes I know there is a fine line between opperating a toon and playing a toon, but it could be a good arguement if it comes to a point. We don't normally condone any infringement of a EULA, but in this case I might get in touch with the opperators and put it to them. Though as I said no one is to play the mules as a game character. Should my approach fail I have an account with all chapters of GW and three well developed characters that I can give you as another mule account, meaning that two members of the officers would have to run an account.(I was typing this as you were posting Stubbs:))

[Fantaghiro]

However, as a member I would not like to see the clan brought into any disrepute, no matter how good our intentions are.

My feelings exactly, Stubbie, and hence my PM to Dags last night. Thanks for your support in resolving this, Dags. Taking into account the Protect your Account message on the opening screen, which basically acknowledges that people DO share and transfer accounts, I feel that the EULA is worded as it is so that players don't have any grounds to go to to ArenaNet complaining about what the person sharing their account did with their toon ("that person behaving badly wasn't me, really it wasn't, it was my friend") or with their stuff.

While each of the storage toons were played long enough in pre-searing to bring them into post, they are not to be played as characters.

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[LazySod]

Shouldn't they be played into LA to get access to the material storage in the chest or is there a quicker way to access that?

[Fantaghiro]

Shouldn't they be played into LA to get access to the material storage in the chest or is there a quicker way to access that?

That's the part I wasn't looking forward to, Lazy. Fortunately, the storage system changed in the last update. You might have noticed that you can now click on the vaults in all locations (instead of a few) to open it, and the ladies all now grant access to the material storage for 50g (instead of just the men), so it was able to be opened up in Ascalon or the Guild Hall for each toon.

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[Lady Alynor]

If Darrall is sorting things out, I think we're good. All the officers + Judith are not young pranksters (well, we might go ahead and fool a member or two occasionally...:p ) who are going to do disreputable things with the account, whatever pranks we do play stay in the guild/clan and are all in good fun, not upsetting anyone in the process. I really wish I had been there when you guys got Stubbie by the way, such a funny story! ;)
Back to the point, none of us are going to use the account for anything but storage and I don't think Anet would have a problem with responsible actions where the account is concerned (like changing the pass if an officer leaves the guild etc.); they should give us more storage if they want to minimise the "danger" of accounts being used in that fashion. :cool:

[Dags]

In a nutshell they didn't want to know about it. It seems that as long as the toons are not played there will be no problems. This was from one of their mods and not admins so it is not locked down for certain.

I will be contacting Fantaghiro and the officers to give them my account that has toons in all three locations so far covered in the updates.

The account only has three toons, they are two lvl 20s and a lvl 18, leaving lots of slots to create more mules capable of appearing in all three continents.

By having the second account it will enable your leader and officers to be abit more flexible. This account could be given to one officer to play as well as to have mules.

[Stubbie]

Thanks for your effort in trying to clarify things dags.

While I would have liked to see a response from the admins at GW, I think that so long as the big cheeses in Clan DA feel we are not abusing the ELUA and are comfortable with how we intend to administer the storage toons, then we are ok.

Thanks for the offer of your accounts too dags. I'm sure the officers will be able to utilise your generous offer for the benefit of the guild.

stubbs

[Fantaghiro]

Thanks for your efforts in getting this sorted. I'm pretty sure that other guilds do something like this, so as long as the toons just stand in the GH like the nice little mules they are, then all will be sweet.

Thanks for your generous offer of the other account, too, Dags. Everyone has been so keen to get rid of the junk ... err, I mean, extremely generous, the four mules we have are pretty loaded up already!

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[Bloodknight]

Fant, if you have not done so on all the mules I am willing to buy bags and upgrade as many as I can. I only hve around 10k left after donating 6k. But I would be glad to do so.

[Fantaghiro]

Thanks for the offer, BK, however, all of the mules are bagged and runed up to the max.

While the generousity we've seen so far is astounding, please don't anyone feel obliged to donate, especially more than you can afford. :)

I'll put the lists of contents up when I get home from work so members can see if there's anything that interests them in the storage so far.

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